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闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

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闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

帖子瞎问瞎说 » 2014-10-30 20:41

闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

1.显然,证券投资投机要被剔除了,完全不操心不关注市场回报很难保证。

2. 尽管很多人看不上债券,但是从回报与操心之比一般来说还是值得考虑的。当然债券对市场和经济变化的敏感度也不算低。

3. 寻找私人资本投资公司管理资金。这类公司漫山遍野,到处都是。有的投资证券,有的投资房地产,有的投资实业。

举个3的例子:某个PCM公司投资实业发现了一个盈利发展颇好的小型本地制造业公司,原主人到了退休退出管理的年龄,有意愿出售生意。于是一番讨价还价,以某议定价格将生意买下。给原东家留下10%股份,许诺原管理团队不插手具体的运营管理,在原管理团队抵押自己房子借贷买下15%股份的条件下,保留原管理团队。然后以这个生意抵押借贷商业贷款。25%头款,7年还清。借贷期间内,生意现金存量必须保持不低于贷款总额35%,否则会加息或者勒令提前还清。商贷利息为年息7%。由于生意经营不错,这家生意5年半还清了商贷。相当于这家PCM公司仅仅花了10%的现金投入用来占有了这家盈利很强的生意的75%股份。粗粗估算,相当于这家PCM公司公司仅仅花了10%的现金投入,以及派两个代表每个月花半天时间在这家生意听取经营财务汇报,在没有别的事儿啦。结果就得了这个生意的75%。钱赚钱加知识和信用赚钱太容易了,这家PCM公司的投资者被许诺的回报是多少我不确定,据说这家PCM公司的投资者主要是这个州的最富有的前十五个家族,最低投资额的要求不清楚。据说这家PCM公司数十年来不投资证券,专注在全国各地搜寻有潜力且盈利能力强的中小企业,持有十到十五年卖出。
很遗憾,不了解这家PCM公司对自己客户的收费情况细节。

举这个例子的目的就是想说,等黄世仁们韬奋掏累了以后也许可以找这类资金管理公司坐吃红利。只要找到了合适的,有口碑的这类PCM公司,就可以啥事儿也不想,找个喜欢的地方晒太阳,看妞看衰锅了。LOL

不过我没算清楚,这样的投资比投SP500真的更强吗?等行家解惑。
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顶师傅好故事。

帖子小心翼翼的小地主 » 2014-10-30 20:58

跟着师傅就是涨见识。 @onion17@
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Re: 闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

帖子瞎问瞎说 » 2014-10-30 21:51

小翼,你怎么把新帖子弄到顶上的? @onion25@ @onion11@ @onion19@
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Re: 闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

帖子monkeyboy » 2014-10-31 10:35

顶!顶!顶!

好的BDC是非常赚钱的,和venture capital不同的是,他们投的是比较成熟的企业,而且BDC是允许小散户,non-accedited investors加入。

当然现在accredited investors的门槛已经很低了,1933年的1 million是现在的17.2 million,那时候年入20万是现在的年人3.44米。如果按inflation调整,估计tzlc llc就没几个够格的。 @onion9@

我知道的一个BDC(巨大,上市公司,funder是fortune 500上的),2007年以300 million多,400milliom不到买了一家公司,这家公司有A+B两家分公司,A的annual sales 在300million多,B是200million的sales(B开发软件,A开发测试仪器),该BDC在1998已经买了一家(manufacturing C + software D)公司,该公司现值1B,在2010年,B买了了一家软件公司E,成交价不到100million。

最近该BDC把B+D+E(都是软件公司)打包卖了,卖了2.6B,acquisition cost 大约是150M for B,less than 100M for E, D是1998买入的,具体价钱不详,现市值不到500M(因为C+D是1B,C的sales,profit margin都比D好)。不到750M的cost,卖了2.6B,不由人不佩服。

那为啥卖了,1. 该BDC对manufacturing的优化(就是更高效的榨取),是强项。对软件公司,如何效益最大化,有点不得要领,quite often don’t get it,有点玩不转。2. 在对B+E的管理上,简单粗暴的套用优化manufacturing的程序,sales上去了,短期出效果了,长期出问题了,quality, margin都下来了。

这BDC的高层的business sense还是非常强的,玩不转的,不玩。没法继续达到target的,卖了,趁现在market hot(不仅仅是stock market,公司的merge and acquisition 也非常hot),买个好价钱。

这就是1%如何赚钱的。
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巴菲特的BRK也是一家BDC

帖子monkeyboy » 2014-10-31 10:38

巴菲特的BRK也是一家BDC
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Re: 闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

帖子monkeyboy » 2014-10-31 10:58

我在胡思乱想了,如果我们tzlc发展到规模很大了,几十年以后,我们都干不动了,或者是不想干了,怎么办?

当然把公司卖了,或者把物业都卖了,那手上拿了一堆钱怎么办?

当然存银行也是不错的选择,投资BDC也是个选项。

那有没有我们老中的下一代开的BDC呢?那么多的老中牛娃去了大藤小藤,不会不念business的吧?难道永远就是为别人打工的命?上不上藤校也没有关系,就没有做business的,我们TF淘够了,我们的下一代能不能玩玩BDC?

BDC一开始肯定不容易,讲穿了,人脉,关系,资金,netowrking只能靠自己,我们至少在资金上能够出点力,老中的下一代,就出不了David Einhorn这样的人物,人家起步时,也就不到1米的资金。

老中就永远打不过犹太人,永远只能出唐某这样的?
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Re: 闲着无事,挖坑:对资金多,不想韬奋又不想操心的人如何投资省心?

帖子jy101 » 2014-10-31 18:23

I would think most of the mom and pop small companies will eventually got phase out as the moms and pops phased out..

BDC is all about development and redevelopment of the company.
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